'04 Sleepers

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If you have a few deep sleepers do this strategy, does anyone else use this?

1. Dont draft your best sleepers (aslong as you think they wont be taken by someone else)
2. Make a 2 for 1 trade getting a great player.
3. Use the bench spot to pick up your sleeper.

Very simple yet very effected if your a good trader and your sleeper that you picked up turns out good.

I won a league based on this last season. I traded Pudge and Durazo for P. Wilson at the start of the season and then picked up Huff as a FA. This all happened at the beggining of the season and led my team to 1st place.

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:14 am

That is a good plan, as Long as you are sure your sleeper will go undrafted.

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GregJP wrote:

Hi Guys,

Excellent thread. I'm in a deep keeper league (15 teams) where we protect 15 guys every year. I need to pick up a 2nd baseman in the draft.
How would you guys rank Ellis, Hudson, and Alomar for this year and Ellis and Hudson in terms of Long term potential. Speed is probably one of the weakest areas of my team. It's 5X5 but we use OPS instead of BA. Thanks.

Greg

RotoChamp states the case very well and I agree vehemently, but don't beat yourself up, 95% of 2nd basemen coming up have a limted ceiling often coaches or just the glamor stigma puts our best athletes at other positions. Before 1999 when we had 19 2nd basemen selcted to the Hall the postion was sorely over looked. I mean name a few 2nd basemen who have made an extended impact, Whitaker, Morgan Sandberg, jackie Robinson, maybe Frank White or a Craig Biggio... (place your favorites here. It just is a tough spot to fill on a Fantasy Roster.

Hudson represents "Upside" if nothing else it is a gamble well worth it especially in a Keeper or Dynasty league.

My Opinion

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rotochamp1 wrote:

That is a good plan, as long as you are sure your sleeper will go undrafted.

What I do is I have a bucnh of my sleepers ready and if theres like 3 rds left and I have like 5 guys I like (p or hitter) I engage this plan. Last year was the first time I tried it - so Ill test it out again this season.

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 12:37 pm

Thanks Guys,

I had a tough time coming up with my 15 keepers. I ended up with 141 points last year, so everyone will be gunning for me this year. Smile

Oswalt, Brown, Webb, Foulke, Dotel, Posada, Delgado, Tejada, Glaus, Ordonez, B.Giles, and J.Gonzalez were no brainers. I ended up also keeping Kim, Drew, and Lofton.
I would like some opinions before we draft next month to complete our teams.

Lofton-I hear that B.Williams wants to play center, and that Torre might want him to. I guess I'll know more about this once opening day approaches

Kim-I think he will be a great contributor assuming he stays in the rotation, and he is young. What do you guys foresee for him in the nxt 2 to 3 years.

Drew-Another project of mine. I think he might bust out in Atlanta this year. I got him for Alou last year, and he also is young.

The only category last year where I wasn't in the top 3 was SB. Any sleepers out there that might put up some decent SB numbers?
Any input greatly appreciated.
Thanks guys.

Greg

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GregJP wrote:

Thanks Guys,

I had a tough time coming up with my 15 keepers. I ended up with 141 points last year, so everyone will be gunning for me this year. Smile

Oswalt, Brown, Webb, Foulke, Dotel, Posada, Delgado, Tejada, Glaus, Ordonez, B.Giles, and J.Gonzalez were no brainers. I ended up also keeping Kim, Drew, and Lofton.
I would like some opinions before we draft next month to complete our teams.
Lofton-I hear that B.Williams wants to play center, and that Torre might want him to. I guess I'll know more about this once opening day approaches

Kim-I think he will be a great contributor assuming he stays in the rotation, and he is young. What do you guys foresee for him in the nxt 2 to 3 years.

Drew-Another project of mine. I think he might bust out in Atlanta this year. I got him for Alou last year, and he also is young.

The only category last year where I wasn't in the top 3 was SB. Any sleepers out there that might put up some decent SB numbers?
Any input greatly appreciated.
Thanks guys.

Greg

Me I am not convinced Juan Gone can stay healthy but I am sure most would care to disagree, other than that I see Kim as a real question mark. I don't think there is a crystal ball for Kim, this is a do or die season I feel though.

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:28 pm

"Kim-I think he will be a great contributor assuming he stays in the rotation, and he is young. What do you guys foresee for him in the nxt 2 to 3 years."

Are we talking about Kim SP Bos or Kim SP Mon?

If its the Kim in Boston, I can say he should be pretty good (as far as 5th spot starters go). Kim showed some good stuff last year as a starter. He didnt get many wins, but his ERA and WHIP were reasonable. Kim is a very very durable guy, he throws everyday. From what I have seen of him, he has some good stuff. However, as a 5th starter he is likely to see less starts and therefore have less of an impact on your team. I would expect-
26GS 10-12W 100K 3.80ERA 1.23WHIP

If its the other Kim, I have no idea.

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:38 pm

The Boston Kim. Thanks.

Greg

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:53 pm

I like B Kim, though rotochamp2 is not a fan.

Bernie Williams is pushing to play CF. THey would then move Giambi most days to DH and sign Travis Lee to play 1B.

This leaves Lofton as a OF backup

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:59 pm

Some cheap sources of saves are:

Pokey Reese - BOS
Damian Jackson - COL
Luis Matos - BAL
Willie Harris - CHW

All should have over 20 SB.

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:38 pm

I don't like Drew for his injuries, Lofton as I don't know how much playing time he will get and JGone, because he is just about overthehill, as I am --- otherwise, I like your keepers - Kim will be a good swing player no matter if he setsup, starts or closes, and he is young and durable --- Sbs - I like solid players. Players like Furcal, Bradley, Wilkerson, and other that can hit 20 HRs and get me 20 SBs, with a good BA --- Johnny Damon is a better player than most think he is and is my secret to a good SB sleeper (probably a lot of others like him too, tho - 8-10 round pick usually), but, 10-12 Hrs and 30-35 SBs will serve me nicely. Couple of youngtsers as somebody mentioned one is Willy Harris and another is Brian Roberts, especially if Hairston is traded, or he is. Also, take a good look at Jason Bay, should be a good 20-20 man this season at Pit. Thats all of my sleepers youre going to get for now Razz

Maybe you will see more come out in the auction league Smile

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:44 pm

I think I might have a few up my sleeve as well. Smile

Roberts was great for me last year as a stop gap 2B. I think Hairston is going to win the job this year though. Thanks for the input.

Greg

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rotochamp1 wrote:

I like B Kim, though rotochamp2 is not a fan.

Bernie Williams is pushing to play CF. THey would then move Giambi most days to DH and sign Travis Lee to play 1B.

This leaves Lofton as a OF backup

Pardon me, most illustrious one but this is more NY drivle. Lofton was so heavilly pursued by Steinbrener that he isn't gonna sit him after giving him a guaranteed 2 year deal, Steiny wants Lofton setting the plate for his big guns, don't look for Kenny; even in his later years to be riding the bench. Even if the Yanks choose to keep their gifted Jazz guitarist in Center, look for Kenny to have the unfamiliar look of DH in the 1 hole.

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FIREDUP wrote:

I don't like Drew for his injuries, Lofton as I don't know how much playing time he will get and JGone, because he is just about overthehill, as I am --- otherwise, I like your keepers - Kim will be a good swing player no matter if he setsup, starts or closes, and he is young and durable --- Sbs - I like solid players. Players like Furcal, Bradley, Wilkerson, and other that can hit 20 HRs and get me 20 SBs, with a good BA --- Johnny Damon is a better player than most think he is and is my secret to a good SB sleeper (probably a lot of others like him too, tho - 8-10 round pick usually), but, 10-12 Hrs and 30-35 SBs will serve me nicely. Couple of youngtsers as somebody mentioned one is Willy Harris and another is Brian Roberts, especially if Hairston is traded, or he is. Also, take a good look at Jason Bay, should be a good 20-20 man this season at Pit. Thats all of my sleepers youre going to get for now Razz

Maybe you will see more come out in the auction league Smile

Wilkerson strikes out too much for my liking.

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 3:14 pm

I agree, Wilky does strike out to much....lets take this in perspective tho--- Last years stats A Soriano -1st round pick - 38 BB - 130 SO and .338 OBP (more HRs, SBs and a higher BA

Wilky -- 89 BB - 155 SO and a .380 OBP and close to 20-20 and I just got him in the 15th round of a draft - so, it all depends on how you look at it --- how many times does Thome strikeout, along with a lot of other BIG NAMEs that are 1st and 2nd rd picks? But, I didn't tell you guys this so you could take him, I want to take him in the 15th round again Detective

No disrespect intended, just showing you how I look at things in a draft...and this season he is leadoff man